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Teleportation

Ted Cooper <coopep>

Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:49:11 -0400

How about if the teleporter sampled all your particles, then disassembled them and made two new copies?? Which one would be you? Both... neither? They should theoreticaly have the same memories and thought processes, and would probably argue into the night over who was the real one (since both would be certain they were you).

Now I'm scared... which one would be allowed to attend Prof Porusch's class???

:) Ted

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Re: Teleportation

takats2@rpi.edu (Dimensia)

Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:56:49 -0400

>How about if the teleporter sampled all your particles, then disassembled

>them and made two new copies?? Which one would be you? Both... neither?

>They should theoreticaly have the same memories and thought processes, and

>would probably argue into the night over who was the real one (since both

>would be certain they were you).

I agree that this is definitely a scary concept. HOWEVER, I believe that there would be no qualms (in my mind only) about the validity of existence of each person. I believe that the two people who were prodcued would not be the same person and would each have rights. The reason why I say they would not be identical is because from the moment the two became a reality, they experienced separate physical stimuli, resulting in a divergence of identical consciousness.

Just a few thoughts...

--Sarah

PS Sorry for any repeat messages, Ted.

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Re: Teleportation

Garden Gnome <andret@rpi.edu>

Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:23:19 -0400

On Oct 10, 3:49pm, Ted Cooper wrote:

> Subject: Teleportation

>

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How about if the teleporter sampled all your particles, then disassembled them and made two new copies?? Which one would be you? Both... neither? They should theoreticaly have the same memories and thought processes, and would probably argue into the night over who was the real one (since both would be certain they were you).

>

> Now I'm scared... which one would be allowed to attend Prof Porusch's class???

>

> :) Ted

>-- End of excerpt from Ted Cooper

I was trying to think of an experiment that you could carry out to test the origins of the soul (given that this fancy teleportation machine idea works) but I ran into a few snags. Let's say you did make two copies of yourself. If those two copies knew that they were copies I think you'd run into trouble right away. Even if the copies were some sort of zombies that appeared to be intelligent but had no souls, they might be able to convince observers otherwise if they were aware of the conditions of the experiment.

Maybe this isn't worth worrying about but it sure is interesting.

thayer

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Re: Teleportation

Agent Webb <webbj>

Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:13:13 -0400 (EDT)

Garden Gnome reported:

>

> I was trying to think of an experiment that you could carry out to test the

> origins of the soul (given that this fancy teleportation machine idea works)

> but I ran into a few snags. Let's say you did make two copies of yourself.

> If those two copies knew that they were copies I think you'd run into trouble

> right away. Even if the copies were some sort of zombies that appeared to be

> intelligent but had no souls, they might be able to convince observers

> otherwise if they were aware of the conditions of the experiment.

I don't have a soul. Does that make me a zombie?

;P

-jon webb-

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Re: Teleportation

Xanatos <gentrj>

Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:37:52 -0400

> I don't have a soul. Does that make me a zombie?

yes. in fact, I can solve this, as I (and you do as well) have code to correct this situation. unfortunately, it involves cutting off the zombie processes head. yucky


Re: Teleportation

Xanatos <gentrj@rpi.edu>

Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:41:12 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Ted Cooper wrote:

> How about if the teleporter sampled all your particles, then disassembled

> them and made two new copies?? Which one would be you? Both...

z = fork(me)

if (z == 0)

if (isMe(getpid()))

printf("Yup, this is me.\n");

else printf("Nah, not me.\n");

else

if (isMe(getpid()))

printf("Yup, this is me.\n");

else printf("Nah, not me.\n");

So let's run it and see what happens.

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Re: Teleportation

Garden Gnome <andret@rpi.edu>

Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:23:59 -0400

On Oct 11, 9:13am, Agent Webb wrote:

> Subject: Re: Teleportation

> Garden Gnome reported:

> >

> > I was trying to think of an experiment that you could carry out to test the

> > origins of the soul (given that this fancy teleportation machine idea works)

> > but I ran into a few snags. Let's say you did make two copies of yourself.

> > If those two copies knew that they were copies I think you'd run into trouble

> > right away. Even if the copies were some sort of zombies that appeared to be

> > intelligent but had no souls, they might be able to convince observers

> > otherwise if they were aware of the conditions of the experiment.

>

> I don't have a soul. Does that make me a zombie?

>

> ;P

>

> -jon webb-

>

>

>-- End of excerpt from Agent Webb

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that there was a direct relationship between the idea of a soul and whether or not you're a zombie (although Jon, I think you are anyway :)

When I said zombie I meant a human (or whatever) that appears to be conscious and intellgient but is really just faking. But maybe that's all we're doing and we've convinced ourselves otherwise. And, for all intents and purposes, does it really matter whether we're faking or not since we believe that we're intelligent and conscious so in our own little universes we must really be so.

gg

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Re: Teleportation

Hagbard Celine <kennaj@rpi.edu>

Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:18:07 -0400

On Oct 10, 10:56pm, Dimensia wrote:

> Subject: Re: Teleportation

> >How about if the teleporter sampled all your particles, then disassembled

> >them and made two new copies?? Which one would be you? Both... neither?

> >They should theoreticaly have the same memories and thought processes, and

> >would probably argue into the night over who was the real one (since both

> >would be certain they were you).

>

>

> I agree that this is definitely a scary concept. HOWEVER, I believe that

> there would be no qualms (in my mind only) about the validity of existence

> of each person. I believe that the two people who were prodcued would not

> be the same person and would each have rights. The reason why I say they

> would not be identical is because from the moment the two became a reality,

> they experienced separate physical stimuli, resulting in a divergence of

> identical consciousness.

>

> Just a few thoughts...

>

> --Sarah

I agree with you to this point, but there are still issues to be resolved. Which has custody of their children? Who owns their house? There are no grounds to distinguish the two, but if this was done to someone without their consent, how can you just confiscate half of their property and hand to someone else? But what else can you do? Hate to be on the jury for that lawsuit...

Jay

---End of forwarded mail from "Hagbard Celine" <kennaj@rpi.edu>

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