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Talk about e-mail overload...

"BushBebi" <takats2@rpi.edu>

Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:27:43 -0400

I decide not to touch a computer for the holiday break...

What a mistake. Now I have to sift through over 100 messages!

Oh, well...

As for introductions, my name is Sarah TC Takatani. I am a Senior in the EMAC program who is more than ready to graduate. I'm an army brat, so I've been to more places than I care to admit, but my extended family lives in Hawaii and Japan. (--yes, I do "hula" dance.) To add another country to my future generations (as if I wasn't messed up as it is) my fiance is from a political family in Somalia, living in safety for the time being in Ethiopia.

This summer, I gained some professional experience re-designing and creating graphics for the Lighting Research Center and working on the NY Sterling Renaissance Festival web site. My experience in Virtual Reality and Science Fiction, however, is quite little.

My fav VR movie: nada (they're all pretty cheesy)

My fav VR book: I guess it would have to be Ender's Game.

I've never really read a VR book before and I really loved this one.

MY fav SF book: Rowan by Anne McCaffery

The only Sci-Fi I really read is Anne McCaffery.

My fav SF movie: I'll have to think about that.

Looks like the rest of this e-mail is going to have to wait until I have time...

--Sarah




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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Jesse Booth <boothj@rpi.edu>

Tue, 03 Sep 1996 15:01 -0400

On Sep 3, 11:27am, BushBebi wrote:

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> What a mistake. Now I have to sift through over 100 messages!

this list is a mess as i guessed it would be. if we aren't allowed to have a newsgroup and must endure the mailing list, would it be possible to have this list threaded and archived to HTML? Bugtraq uses this and supposedly it's all automated. i guess that would be a job for Mick. any luck with the filters? info would be appreciated.

Jesse

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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Dennis Payne <dulsi@identical.stu.rpi.edu>

Tue, 03 Sep 1996 15:28 -0400

> I agree, let us have a newsgroup. If people can't figure out how

> to use a news reader or ... [snip]

Email volume is probably going to go up as time goes on not down. Ajusting to the volume will be neccessary(sp?) and there is no time like the present. Will you complain the same way if put on a job for a company where everyone on the same project as you are on a mailing list? Now I can understand the arguement for newsreaders because of the threading capabilities but considering the liberal use of quoting most people do that shouldn't be a huge problem.

(If you really dislike it and have a personal computer do something about it. What I mean is install a mail server on your personal computer and have the mailing list send all message to that account rather than your rpi one. This will allow you to check the mailing when you want without it cluttering your rpi email. "If you want something done right do it yourself")

Dennis Payne

dulsi@identical.stu.rpi.edu

payned@rpi.edu

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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Jeff Collins <collij2@rpi.edu>

Tue, 03 Sep 1996 17:24 -0400

Newsgroups are better than listservs:

1. Newsgroup postings are available at the user's leisure, grouped by course.

2. Newsgroup postings are automatically threaded by subject and sorted by the date and time posted.

3. Recalling a previous newsgroup message involves clicking on the reference stamp in the message header. In other words, if I'm reading

Mary's response to Fred and I want to reread Fred's post, I click on the reference in the header and the computer shows me Fred's post in another message window.

Using filters in an email reader, you can simulate #1 and (almost) #3. Some email readers will also let your sort email by two header fields (in order to approximate #2). The bottom line: getting an email reader to do all of the stuff that news readers already do isn't intuitive or fun--maybe it's instructional and character-building, though.

I'd like to see us switch to a newsgroup. Or maybe we could have both--then we could see how the character of the conversation differs between the two forums.

Must bike now...

Jeff

<mailto: collij2@rpi.edu>

GBU/GBA

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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Jester <gentrj>

Tue, 03 Sep 1996 18:39 -0400

I agree, let us have a newsgroup. If people can't figure out how to use a news reader or if they feel the need to get news from netscape, then let them explore the brave new virtual world of nn, rn, tin, etc. With all the new freshman figuring out that they can send email to everyone on their floor, and thus slowing down the mail servers as they inevitably do at the beginning of each fall semester, these extra messages really bog down my mail-getting. :)

j

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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Jean-Eteinne LaVallee <lavalj@rpi.edu>

Tue, 03 Sep 1996 19:46 -0400

Heyas,

boothj requested:

> any luck with the filters? info would be appreciated.

I use a Win95 news/mail program (bring on the boo's) called

Agent which pre-filters my inbox. I think Eudora does this too. They both cost ~$25 tho...

Someone had told me that there's a smart agent style filter add on for Pine, anyone know?

According to the Email Filtering FAQ

(http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html)

Elm is filter capable too.

l8r,

Etienne

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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Dennis Payne <dulsi@identical.stu.rpi.edu>

Wed, 04 Sep 1996 14:12 -0400

> Dude, don't even start to lecture me on big mailing lists.

In intellectual chess, playing to win sometimes means crushing the

opponent. No offence intended.

> Its just that when mail1 is hitting loads of near 50, this excess of

> mail just exacerbates the problem.

'Fraid I can't argue with that rpi should have fixed that last year. (Granted I understand that is a large undertaking and simple to say.)

> Sounds like a lot of fun over a modem, when I regularly have enough mail

> to take over a minute d/ling over 14.4 (and I read my email a lot) ...

Ohh my God! A whole minute! No wonder your complaining. :) :) :) :)

Then use a mail filter on rpi's system. I assume zmail can do it (I don't use it so I don't know). If not there's got to be something that can. Then just download the sfvr once a day since it's not likely to be immediately important.

[on too another message]

> It just to me 1/2 an hour to discover that the one message I wanted to

> read hadn't yet arrived.

Is there something wrong with looking at the list of names and subjects, finding the message hadn't arrived, and reading the sfvr stuff later?

Dennis Payne

dulsi@identical.stu.rpi.edu

payned@rpi.edu

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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Matt Costa <mcosta@unix.cie.rpi.edu>

Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:10 -0400

I have to agree with collij2 and boothj about the mail overload here. Switching to a newsgroup would definitely be a step in the right direction...

-matt

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Re: Talk about e-mail overload...

Jester <gentrj>

Wed, 04 Sep 1996 22:23 -0400

> In intellectual chess, playing to win sometimes means crushing the

> opponent. No offence intended.

I take it then, that you were not playing to win?

Anyhow, I don't know about zmail, haven't used it since this time 4 years ago. what a horrid piece of code work. I just use plain ole 'mail' ... ole reliable. No nasties hanging out like in some of the other RPI mailers.

On to a class topic ... I was thinking about the "nets" presented in Ender's Game. Did anyone notice that they were completely "unrealistic" as a possible future? I mean, already today that level of anonymity that the kids had is pretty much gone. Anon.Penet.Fi is down. I've seen other anon remailers disappear over the course of my years here. Granted you can sign up for an AOL account or something dorky like that, but they have your CC nubmer (unless you faked it) ... and I've heard tell that a lot of those places watch where the calls come from into their systems (again, if this is true, ways around it ... but there is a general trend i'm getting at) ....

I have felt that our "net" is moving towards a Gibsonian Matrix for a while. Not just the "VR" aspect, but the governing aspect. It will become an extension of "real life" to be owned and controlled by the big multinationals that pull lal the strings in the world. Only an elite few will be able to slip by unknown. All these new people "getting on the net" don't seem to be comfortable with the fact that anonymity can be a good thing. Sure, it can lead to more open flaming, but who cares. If I tried to defame someone's character, most wouldn't put blind faith into a completely anonymous message anyhow - at least, I'd like to think that many of them would take that lead and double check the information.

blah,

J

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